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[0:01] [Music]
[0:07] welcome to tonight's conversations of
[0:09] great minds with paul stamets
[0:11] paul is an inventor researcher
[0:13] entrepreneur and has been a practicing
[0:14] mycologist for over thirty years
[0:17] is discovered and co-authored four new
[0:20] species of mushrooms
[0:21] and pioneered numerous techniques in the
[0:23] field of edible and medicinal
[0:25] mushroom cultivation paul was named
[0:27] twenty fourteen invention ambassador by
[0:30] the american
[0:30] association for the advancement of
[0:32] science and received the highly
[0:33] acclaimed
[0:34] twenty thirteen n a m a north american
[0:37] mycology association
[0:38] uh award for expanding the field of
[0:40] mycology for both amateurs and
[0:42] professionals
[0:44] paul's latest book my silly i'm running
[0:45] how mushrooms can help save the world
[0:48] talks about the planetary healing powers
[0:50] of mycelium
[0:51] paul joins us now from san francisco
[0:53] paul welcome
[0:55] great to have you with us thank uh thank
[0:57] you i you've got some
[0:59] uh some props there with you you have
[1:01] you have mushrooms with you you want to
[1:02] tell us about them
[1:04] well sure i brought three different
[1:06] mushrooms with me these are poly pore
[1:07] mushrooms uh
[1:09] they they're also called wood conks so
[1:11] they're more perennial
[1:12] this is uh one of the rarest mushrooms
[1:14] uh in north america it
[1:16] only grows in the old growth forest it's
[1:18] called aguero con
[1:20] this mushroom has been abused by humans
[1:23] for over two thousand years it used to
[1:24] be uh
[1:26] prevalent in europe but since they cut
[1:27] down the trees they lost the habitat
[1:30] this mushroom was the subject of
[1:32] research that we submitted to the
[1:33] bioshield biodefense program
[1:35] after 9 11 and was found to be a source
[1:38] of very very potent anti-viral
[1:40] compounds active against pox and flu
[1:42] viruses
[1:45] this mushroom here is called turkey tail
[1:47] and
[1:48] we had a successful 2.2 million dollar
[1:51] nih
[1:52] breast cancer a clinical trial
[1:55] and this mushroom was found to be very
[1:57] potent in up regulating the immune
[1:58] system
[1:59] and in combination with chemotherapy
[2:01] enhance the effects the positive effects
[2:03] of chemotherapy
[2:04] and then one of my favorite mushrooms is
[2:06] this one called amadou and
[2:08] my hat is made from amadou and this
[2:11] mushroom is called the tinder conch
[2:13] it allowed for the portability of fire
[2:15] and our ancestors
[2:16] uh not too long ago uh you didn't have
[2:19] bic lighters and matches
[2:20] and this would help keep the clan alive
[2:22] because the fire keeper of the tribe
[2:24] had a very important rule to carry the
[2:27] carry fire
[2:28] and there's no doubt that we all came
[2:29] from africa and we went north we found
[2:31] something new called winter
[2:33] and this mushroom allowed for the
[2:34] portability fire and helped keep our
[2:36] ancestors
[2:36] alive remarkable so paul let let me
[2:39] start at the beginning what
[2:40] what got you into my college into the
[2:43] study of the son of the son
[2:45] study mushrooms the science mushrooms
[2:47] well i was always attracted to that
[2:49] which was forbidden
[2:51] and i was always curious of people's
[2:53] strong reactions about mushrooms
[2:56] and it speaks to the fact that you know
[2:58] most mushrooms are fleshy mushrooms
[3:00] they're very temporary
[3:01] they're in the visual viewscape for a
[3:04] few days four or five days
[3:05] and then they disappear and mushrooms
[3:08] that can kill you that can feed you that
[3:11] can cure you
[3:12] that can get you high something that's
[3:13] so potent like that
[3:15] but we have such a limited experience
[3:17] with them compared to
[3:18] animals and plants we have a long
[3:20] exposure we have lots of time to learn
[3:23] their properties
[3:24] and these other mushrooms come and
[3:25] disappear very very quickly so
[3:28] there was a area of science that was
[3:30] understudied
[3:31] and yet most people may not know that
[3:34] forty percent
[3:34] of the biomass of soils is fungal
[3:38] and seventy percent of soils uh
[3:40] approximately the microbes and soils are
[3:42] also fungal
[3:43] so these are the very foundation of the
[3:45] food web and these mycelial networks are
[3:47] fine
[3:48] cobwebby-like membranes that permeate
[3:51] all landscapes
[3:52] and these are called the fruit bodies
[3:53] like an apple is to an apple tree this
[3:55] is the reproductive structure
[3:56] so they surface and they produce these
[3:59] these mushrooms and spores
[4:01] come and and and fly around and then
[4:03] they quickly disappear
[4:05] these on the other hand are more
[4:06] perennial and so our ancestors have
[4:08] had a longer history of experience with
[4:10] them and so we know a lot more about
[4:11] them
[4:12] what is masilian mycelium mycelium
[4:16] is the fine cobwebby substance and
[4:18] anyone listening can go out to find a
[4:20] piece of stick on the ground and
[4:21] or a piece of wood and tip it over
[4:23] you'll see mycelium it's a network
[4:25] of fine cells and these networks that
[4:27] can be incredibly large
[4:29] the largest organism in the world known
[4:31] so far
[4:32] is a mycelial mat in eastern oregon of a
[4:35] honey mushroom
[4:36] 2200 acres in size and yet they're only
[4:39] one cell wall thick on the other side of
[4:41] the cell wall or hundreds of millions of
[4:43] other microbes trying to consume it and
[4:44] yet this thing these
[4:46] these micellar networks can be vast and
[4:48] they connect the forests and they're
[4:49] really a form of earth's natural
[4:51] internet and they
[4:52] bi-directionally move nutrients to
[4:54] support plant communities
[4:56] do they in addition nutrients do they
[4:58] communicate i i've read about you know
[5:00] trees communicating with each other by
[5:02] by releasing uh the equivalent of
[5:05] pheromones or hormones or
[5:07] chemicals that are it like screams
[5:09] essentially
[5:10] excellent excellent question and there's
[5:12] been a number of research projects and
[5:13] it gives me somewhat
[5:15] uh i'm a little sad about this that
[5:16] we're just discovering this now
[5:18] but through the mycorrhizal fungi that
[5:20] join the root zones
[5:21] if a plant is being attacked by an
[5:23] insect or there's other type of
[5:27] other type of predation then via the
[5:30] mycelium
[5:31] it alerts the adjacent plants that
[5:33] there's a predator on the horizon
[5:35] so these these are essential
[5:36] communication networks
[5:38] as well as nutritional networks wow so
[5:41] it very much is like
[5:42] the internet uh they're even better
[5:44] because the internet doesn't nourish us
[5:46] unless we
[5:47] i guess you know order pizza online uh
[5:49] what do mushrooms in their structure
[5:51] demonstrate about the interconnectedness
[5:52] of nature paul
[5:55] well you know we have live in a very
[5:58] fragile ecosystem
[5:59] we are here today because very smart
[6:01] choices on the evolutionary path
[6:03] i'm paul stamets but i'm ten trillion
[6:06] bacterial cells
[6:07] to one trillion approximately human
[6:10] cells
[6:10] now the bacterial cells the mass is only
[6:12] one or two pounds of bacteria in us
[6:14] relative to my weight but it speaks to
[6:18] the fact that we live in communities of
[6:20] microbes
[6:20] as does the soil as do all plants and so
[6:24] guilds of microbes
[6:25] have allied with each other cooperating
[6:28] saying if you help me
[6:29] i will help you and so these large
[6:31] communities have established themselves
[6:33] in the ecosystems
[6:34] and so we are a community our plants are
[6:37] based on communities and as we lose
[6:39] biodiversity
[6:41] we are facing some very big challenges
[6:44] the food webs are being eroded
[6:45] underneath our feet
[6:47] and we have very little knowledge one of
[6:49] the examples i'd like to give
[6:51] and there was an asteroid that came by
[6:53] the earth yesterday
[6:54] 60 feet in diameter not seen until just
[6:56] the last moment
[6:57] well if there's an asteroid impact
[6:59] coming to at us in 12 months
[7:01] all the nations of the world would
[7:03] gather together to try to divert that
[7:05] asteroid
[7:06] well we do have a proverbial asteroid
[7:08] coming at us very quickly
[7:10] we're entered into 6x the sixth greatest
[7:12] extinction event known in the history of
[7:13] life
[7:14] on this planet we have approximately 8.3
[7:16] million species
[7:17] of of organisms on this planet we're
[7:20] losing about 30
[7:21] 000 species per year 100 years that's
[7:24] more than a third
[7:25] of the biodiversity of this ecosystem
[7:27] that's given us life
[7:28] as we dismantle the ecosystem underneath
[7:30] our feet we are
[7:31] we are jeopardizing not only uh all
[7:34] sorts of other organisms
[7:36] but ourselves and this is a something
[7:38] that i think that
[7:39] people really need to focus on the
[7:41] biology of the soils which we have
[7:43] very preliminary knowledge of um we are
[7:45] we have all the sexy animals like you
[7:47] know
[7:47] giraffes and elephants and tigers and
[7:50] lions and bears
[7:51] of course we know a lot about those but
[7:52] the microbes we know very very little
[7:54] about
[7:55] you say that there is a uh
[7:58] mycological solution for this sixth
[8:01] extinction
[8:03] what is that well
[8:06] um it is there's
[8:09] we we suffer from overpopulation i think
[8:11] everybody agrees with that with
[8:13] overpopulation we have habitats being
[8:16] destroyed and we lose
[8:17] biodiversity we have a pollution
[8:20] and we have climate change these are all
[8:23] stressors on the ecosystem
[8:25] and as we lose our organic debris and
[8:28] our humus and our soils
[8:29] we're dismantling the food webs that
[8:31] give us life the fungi
[8:33] break down plant material and uh and
[8:36] render
[8:37] more nutrients uh to other adjacent
[8:39] plants and the decomposition cycles spin
[8:42] off all sorts of nutrient cycles that
[8:44] give rise to
[8:45] myriad populations of organisms that
[8:47] help the biodiversity
[8:48] the more biodiversity is biosecurity
[8:51] the more biodiverse the ecosystem is the
[8:54] better it is able
[8:56] to respond to catastrophia to to
[9:00] to human impacts to pollution impacts
[9:03] and as we erode
[9:04] the soil system we only have 10 percent
[9:07] of the wood debris in the forest now
[9:10] than we did just a few hundred years ago
[9:12] so ninety percent of that soil
[9:14] uh has been uh denatured and the
[9:17] ecosystem now is being stressed out and
[9:18] the rule of nature
[9:20] is that when a organism exceeds the
[9:22] carrying capacity of its ecosystem
[9:24] then diseases spread and so now we have
[9:27] entered into a period of viral storms
[9:29] we have massive amounts of pollution we
[9:31] have water quality issues
[9:33] now we have water wars that are
[9:35] developing and this is because the
[9:36] mycelium holds water in the soil
[9:39] and most people don't realize this but
[9:41] when this wood is decomposed
[9:42] a major byproduct of wood decomposing is
[9:45] water
[9:46] and so the mycelium nourishes and gives
[9:48] water to the ecosystem to the benefit
[9:50] of the myriad other organisms and this
[9:53] is
[9:54] it's all hands on deck moment we really
[9:56] need to step to the forefront
[9:57] and be able to develop biodiverse
[10:01] agriculture not monoculture we need to
[10:03] reinvest in the biodiversity of the
[10:05] ecosystem because ultimately that's the
[10:06] safest route for us
[10:08] how do we do that well we do that by
[10:12] by putting wood chips on the ground by
[10:15] gardening
[10:16] by planting diverse species in our
[10:18] landscapes
[10:20] by trying to avoid going into
[10:22] monoculture agricultural systems by
[10:24] engaging permacultural models
[10:29] and i'd like to recommend everybody that
[10:30] they join a mycological society the
[10:32] the mother society is called the north
[10:34] american mycological association
[10:36] it's a non-profit it's uh namico.org
[10:40] n-a-m-y-c-o dot o-r-g
[10:42] you join one of the the the north
[10:44] american mycological association
[10:46] they can help steer you to all sorts of
[10:48] other experts and
[10:49] it's tons of fun you go out it's like a
[10:51] it's like an easter egg hunt
[10:52] for adults and for children indeed many
[10:55] elderly adults have told me their
[10:57] favorite memories of being with their
[10:58] family
[10:59] when they were kids hunting mushrooms
[11:00] you're away from the phone you're away
[11:01] from the business
[11:02] you have direct communication with your
[11:04] parents and you have that eureka moment
[11:06] which is an endorphin rush and uh when
[11:08] you find something in the woods that's
[11:10] just
[11:10] you know so rare or so wonderful or so
[11:12] delicious you know you're rewarded and
[11:16] it's really enticing it's a wonderful
[11:17] lifestyle i highly recommend it to
[11:19] everybody
[11:20] wow you're the inventor of the life box
[11:22] what is that
[11:25] lifebox was my reinvention of the
[11:28] cardboard box to try to
[11:30] um simply all have too many cardboard
[11:34] boxes and we shipped them the delivery
[11:35] system's already been paid for
[11:36] so i impregnated the sheets of cardboard
[11:39] with
[11:40] beneficial fungi and seeds and so as
[11:43] every
[11:44] box that could be shipped essentially
[11:46] could be an ecological footprint to
[11:47] re-establish a forest
[11:49] and so my idea was to reforest you know
[11:52] the world through life boxes
[11:54] since there is no additional weight and
[11:56] then i'll teach kids
[11:57] about biodiversity they can grow the
[11:59] trees and then when their grandparents
[12:01] they can walk into a forest that was
[12:03] planted by a lifebox when they were a
[12:04] kid
[12:05] and they can teach their children
[12:06] generationally about the importance of
[12:08] reforestation
[12:09] wow is this is this a product that's out
[12:11] there right now
[12:14] the product is out there right now but
[12:16] it's been a labor of love
[12:18] and it's something that has been limping
[12:21] along
[12:22] and i've got lots of excited people
[12:24] about it but
[12:25] the bottom line is that the purchasers
[12:28] of uh
[12:29] in these large companies they want to
[12:31] compete against a plain brown cardboard
[12:33] box
[12:34] right yeah that's a tough one
[12:37] we'll pick up this conversation right
[12:38] after this break more of tonight's
[12:40] conversations with great minds with paul
[12:42] stamets
[12:42] after this break
[12:52] welcome back to tonight's conversations
[12:54] with great minds with paul stamets
[12:56] paul's been a practicing mycologist for
[12:58] over 30 years he's discovered 40 species
[13:01] of mushrooms and pioneered
[13:02] numerous techniques in the field of
[13:04] edible and medicinal mushroom
[13:05] cultivation
[13:06] paul's latest book i silly i'm running
[13:08] how mushrooms can help save the world
[13:10] talks about the planetary healing powers
[13:13] of mycelium let's get back to it
[13:15] um paul you've talked about universal
[13:17] truths in nature
[13:19] what are some of these truths well
[13:22] um the ability to adapt to change
[13:25] is the uh is the wedge of evolution
[13:29] and it's really important that you're
[13:30] able to adapt very quickly and
[13:32] intelligently
[13:34] network-based organisms which is what
[13:36] mycelium is
[13:37] has the ability to constantly uh change
[13:40] it towards the circumstances when the
[13:42] mycelium grows out
[13:43] and the width of this table here there
[13:45] can literally be
[13:47] millions of end branchings that are
[13:49] constantly forking
[13:50] and the nuclei stream to the tips and if
[13:53] there is uh
[13:54] as there's a new toxin a new food source
[13:57] a new insect a new piece of wood
[13:59] a new potential food source if there's a
[14:01] reassortment of nuclei
[14:03] a new enzyme can be produced and digest
[14:06] that potential food source if that
[14:08] happens then the network
[14:10] is information flows backwards into the
[14:13] mother mycelium and so these are
[14:14] learning membranes
[14:16] they're sentient they're aware they're
[14:18] highly adaptive
[14:19] so the universal truths that i see in
[14:21] nature
[14:22] is the organization of the universe dark
[14:24] matter
[14:26] and dark energy mycelium neurons
[14:30] our brain are all based on these vast
[14:33] networks that have multiple pathways
[14:35] should one of them get interrupted
[14:36] there's an alternative pathway as
[14:38] opposed to a linear system
[14:40] if there's an interruption then the
[14:41] organism could be killed or stopped
[14:43] so the adaptiveness of network design is
[14:46] something that i think will find
[14:47] pervasive throughout the universe
[14:49] i believe that this is my own personal
[14:51] belief i grew up in a highly religious
[14:52] environment
[14:53] but my personal belief is matter begets
[14:56] life
[14:56] life is for first single organisms
[14:58] single organs become strings strings
[15:00] then
[15:01] fork chains are produced membranes are
[15:03] produced
[15:04] and this is the way of life i think
[15:06] throughout the cosmos we'll find network
[15:08] based organisms elsewhere in the
[15:09] universe
[15:10] this is not an accident i think this is
[15:12] just the way of life
[15:13] i think you're absolutely right um how
[15:16] are humans
[15:18] i mean most people know that we have a
[15:19] relationship with bacteria if
[15:21] nothing other than seen ads on t v for
[15:24] probiotics
[15:25] but going beyond bacteria to fund fungi
[15:28] or fung
[15:29] am i pronouncing that correctly uh this
[15:31] there's four
[15:32] four correct pronunciations all of them
[15:34] are correct okay great thank you
[15:36] um how are humans interrelated with
[15:39] mushrooms well
[15:40] excellent question um well we diverged
[15:43] from fungi about 650 million years ago
[15:46] in fact a group of scientists 23 of them
[15:49] published an article
[15:50] about three years ago correcting a new
[15:52] erecting a new super kingdom called a
[15:54] paisley kanta
[15:56] a paisley kandahar joins fungi and
[15:58] animals together
[15:59] we have a more common ancestry with
[16:01] fungi than we do with any other kingdom
[16:03] in fact it can be said that our
[16:05] ancestors were proto
[16:07] were protofungal uh we evolved from the
[16:09] very very same
[16:10] ancestors that our modern fungi have
[16:13] evolved from
[16:14] and we exhale carbon dioxide so do fungi
[16:18] we
[16:18] inhale oxygen soda fungi our best
[16:21] antibiotics against bacteria
[16:22] come from fungi but we have very few
[16:25] good anti-fungal antibiotics because
[16:27] we're so closely related
[16:28] as eukaryotic organisms
[16:32] to our fungal ancestors so that's that's
[16:34] some examples but it's very interesting
[16:36] and as we selected out the microbiome
[16:39] bacteria that makes us healthy fungal
[16:43] networks have done the same
[16:44] in nature so they predispose populations
[16:47] of bacteria
[16:48] and other organisms that help the plant
[16:50] communities to give rise to plants and
[16:52] the forest to create the debris fields
[16:54] that feed the mycelium
[16:55] these are deterministic in their uh in
[16:58] their organization
[16:59] uh and they select communities that
[17:01] benefit their own progeny
[17:02] so this is this is a really something
[17:04] that's so important for us to understand
[17:06] is biodiversity is biosecurity and we
[17:09] are here today because of the
[17:10] biodiversity that we
[17:12] have and when you take antibiotics you
[17:14] not only
[17:15] kill the bacterium or the infections
[17:17] infectious organism that you're
[17:18] targeting
[17:19] but you also massively did disrupt the
[17:22] microflora in your gut
[17:24] and so this is why the rampant use of
[17:27] antibiotics is causing all sorts of
[17:28] downstream medical implications that are
[17:30] very very serious
[17:31] you mentioned eukaryotic what does that
[17:33] mean
[17:34] eukaryotic organisms are what we are we
[17:37] have a nucleus
[17:38] uh and that defines what a eukaryote is
[17:41] uh
[17:41] is that our dna is inside of a nucleus
[17:44] and a mitochondria yeah okay yeah
[17:46] yeah essentially two nuclear um you you
[17:50] you quote a quote from you i believe
[17:51] habitats
[17:53] and inhabitants share immune systems and
[17:55] mycelium is the
[17:56] cellular bridge that governs the two can
[17:59] you explain that
[18:01] well this is what i'm saying is that the
[18:03] the habitats do have immune systems and
[18:06] the healthy
[18:07] healthy habitats speak to the to their
[18:08] healthy immunity
[18:10] when we insult them with a pollutant or
[18:12] a toxin
[18:14] then the the mycelium has to react and
[18:18] and decompose those toxins or else the
[18:20] population that it hosts
[18:21] is in jeopardy in its own progeny is
[18:24] also
[18:24] in jeopardy so mycelium is a cellular
[18:28] bridge that connects all landscapes
[18:30] all plants are part fungi and basically
[18:32] ninety percent of all plants
[18:34] are part fungi this was not known until
[18:36] just recently when biologists would
[18:38] constantly see these fungi
[18:39] under the microscope and wondering all
[18:41] housed as possible
[18:43] and now we know that the endophytic
[18:45] fungi that grow inside of trees inside
[18:47] of plants inside of grasses
[18:49] give a host defense of resistance
[18:50] against pathogens and parasites
[18:53] and so again this speaks to these very
[18:55] complex guilds and communities of
[18:57] cooperators
[18:58] uh that cooperate together in order to
[19:00] force forestall
[19:02] uh pathogens from sleeping into the
[19:03] landscape and changing the very nature
[19:05] of that landscape
[19:06] you know we're the biggest walking
[19:08] catastrophe on this planet
[19:10] and we inflict damage the problem that
[19:12] we face today is
[19:14] the xenobiotic the artificial toxins are
[19:17] being created by humans
[19:18] never in the history of evolution has
[19:20] there been any experience of this
[19:22] there are tens of thousands of new
[19:24] pollutants and toxins
[19:26] the ecosystem is under assault whether
[19:28] its immune system
[19:29] can be able to mitigate all these
[19:30] different pollutants at once
[19:32] is a very very challenging question and
[19:34] i'm afraid that the
[19:36] ecosystems are not going to be able to
[19:37] react fast enough unless we start to
[19:39] mitigate
[19:39] the outflow of toxins that are having
[19:42] all this collateral damage
[19:45] biomimicry is a
[19:48] it's kind of an invoke word explain what
[19:51] it means and how
[19:52] it applies to our relationship with
[19:55] mushrooms
[19:57] well by biomimicry um is uh speaks to
[20:01] the fact that
[20:02] um about one of the best examples of the
[20:04] invention of velcro
[20:06] and and the invention of velcro and
[20:09] lots of other things we know about today
[20:11] are modeled after nature
[20:13] and the biomimicry is the scientists now
[20:18] and in that back industry looking at how
[20:20] natural systems have evolved to take
[20:22] care of many of these problems
[20:24] that we're facing i came up with a term
[20:26] not a big giant leap in logic here
[20:28] called micro mimicry and the idea of
[20:31] creating network systems based on our
[20:33] knowledge of how mycelium works and
[20:35] setting up
[20:35] the biosphere and these microbial
[20:37] populations is something i think is also
[20:39] very very useful for us
[20:42] you know this is where a problem that we
[20:44] have
[20:46] science is and the computer sciences and
[20:48] and
[20:49] and astrophysics we know extremely
[20:51] little about soil biology
[20:53] good luck going to mars you're going to
[20:55] have to try to grow
[20:57] you know how how to create soil almost
[21:00] no scientists know how to do that unless
[21:02] they have
[21:03] nature as an inoculum that we can
[21:05] transfer a native soil and create soil
[21:08] but creating a soil from a test tube is
[21:10] not possible
[21:11] because the organisms are what we call
[21:13] immunologically naive
[21:15] that is the baby in the bubble syndrome
[21:17] if you're not this is why kids it's
[21:19] encouraged that kids play in dirt then
[21:20] their immune system needs to be
[21:22] having experiences these microbes
[21:24] connect so it can up regulate
[21:26] the antibodies and become
[21:27] immunologically educated
[21:29] this is the same this is true with soil
[21:31] systems we can't create
[21:33] soil and other planets with the
[21:35] biodiversity that we have seen here on
[21:37] this planet
[21:38] to give us life and so i think rather
[21:40] than going into the stars we better stay
[21:42] home
[21:42] and focus on this beautiful planet that
[21:44] we have right now because it is a jewel
[21:47] we can use it as a model but if we lose
[21:49] the ecosystems we lost the model for
[21:51] being able to populate other
[21:52] planets in the in in the universe what
[21:55] are the
[21:56] uh practical steps that we could be
[21:57] taking right now to use
[21:59] uh mushrooms to address global warming
[22:04] well that's a really good question the
[22:06] mycelium as it builds the humus
[22:09] i gave a talk at ted and al gore came up
[22:12] to me afterwards and said you taught me
[22:13] something i didn't know i thought
[22:15] i was going to respond to that in a
[22:16] sarcastic way but um
[22:18] the the soil as it builds up the humus
[22:21] in the soil the carbon
[22:23] is being sequestered into the soil
[22:25] biosphere it's not being liberated
[22:27] into the atmosphere the mycelium
[22:29] produces cold carbon dioxide
[22:31] but the mycelium is about 85
[22:33] carbohydrates
[22:34] it's extremely heavy in carbon and then
[22:37] as the
[22:38] soil debris and the wood debris builds
[22:40] up in the ecosystem the carbon bank
[22:42] is being built as well so you're not
[22:44] liberating this into the atmosphere are
[22:45] you building a carbon bank within the
[22:47] soil
[22:48] so the the practical things that people
[22:50] can do is don't throw away your wood
[22:52] chips
[22:52] and your grass climate and your grass
[22:55] clippings and then you bring in
[22:56] fertilizer
[22:57] you know you need to decompose that
[22:59] material in situ
[23:01] in your landscape and building up the
[23:02] biosphere in your ecosystem
[23:04] the presence of mushrooms in your yard
[23:06] is a happy sign
[23:08] with a few exceptions but this really
[23:10] means that your ecosystem is thriving
[23:12] uh the decomposition cycles are moving
[23:15] and um
[23:15] everybody should come to terms with
[23:17] fungi one way or the other because
[23:18] they're going to get you in the end
[23:19] yeah the the chicken and egg question
[23:23] here
[23:24] uh we are our soil seems to be dying
[23:27] particularly here in the united states
[23:28] and most people point the finger factory
[23:31] farming monoculture
[23:32] um industrial agricultural practices to
[23:36] remediate that
[23:38] should we be which will
[23:41] bring mycelium back into the soil as you
[23:43] point out and make the soil more
[23:45] resilient and more moist and more carbon
[23:48] dense do we need to inoculate the soil
[23:51] with mycelium or do we need to just
[23:53] you know start doing appropriate
[23:55] agriculture and then the massillium will
[23:56] follow
[23:58] great question um we can be more
[24:00] purposeful now and we need to be
[24:01] purposeful because we don't have time
[24:03] just to have random access
[24:04] of natural fungi leaping to the
[24:07] forefront when we have an immediate
[24:08] issue
[24:09] we received an environmental an epa
[24:11] grant phase one
[24:12] for microfiltration filtering gray water
[24:15] of e coli
[24:16] and we found a mushroom called the
[24:17] garden giant that's exceptionally good
[24:20] at breaking
[24:20] uh capturing e coli cleaning water
[24:23] breaking down the wood chips
[24:24] and it's plant friendly and also
[24:26] produces these compounds that
[24:28] consume nematodes so it's very good for
[24:32] root crops et cetera but that's a real
[24:34] good example
[24:35] of a species we have about 700 species
[24:37] in our culture library
[24:39] we have we grow an enormous amount of
[24:41] mycelium 20 000 kilos of mycelium per
[24:43] week
[24:44] and so we have about seven different uh
[24:47] projects now
[24:48] from lake erie to portland to other uh
[24:51] other regions
[24:52] where we're cleaning up street waste and
[24:54] water does not discriminate between e
[24:56] coli
[24:57] and oil and so you have a convergence of
[24:59] toxins and we create these sheet mulch
[25:01] beds with the mycelium of the garden
[25:03] giant for instance
[25:04] and as it infiltrates through the
[25:06] mycelium the mycelium
[25:07] gobbles up the hydrocarbons and
[25:09] remanufactures them
[25:10] into fungal carbohydrates into sugars
[25:14] and
[25:14] then the extracellular sweat droplets
[25:16] coming from the mycelium
[25:19] all the the invention of penicillin
[25:21] those those break down e coli
[25:23] and then the the fungi consume the
[25:25] equality so
[25:27] this is this is brilliant i'm sorry we
[25:28] just ran out of time we hit the end of
[25:30] the show no worries that was great
[25:32] paul stamets thanks so much for being
[25:33] with us